In Conversation with James Jansen and Jane Rumble

David’s recent guests on ‘How to Avoid Moving to Mars’ were James Jansen and Jane Rumble, environmental and polar policy experts.

Jane Rumble is the Head of the Polar Regions Department in the Foreign Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO), leading all Antarctic issues for the UK Government. She's also the senior responsible officer of the Blue Belt Programme, and in 2021, Rumble Point was named in her honour in the Antarctic Peninsula. In 2018, Jane was awarded an OBE for her services to polar science, marine conservation, and diplomacy.

James Jansen is the UK Senior Arctic Lead and Deputy Head of the Polar Regions department in the FCDO. He oversees the UK engagement in the Arctic, including delivering the UK Arctic policy framework. With a background in biological sciences, James has spent the last 20 years focussing on climate and environmental issues for the UK Government. Previously, he was part of the UK team negotiating the UN Sustainable Development Goals. He served as Chief Executive and Director of Fisheries for the Government of South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.

Jane, could you kick us off by discussing The Government's work in the Antarctic, and the roles and responsibilities involved?

Jane Rumble: The Antarctic drives the global climate while the Arctic influences our daily weather. Our primary objective is to maintain peace, security, and high cooperation in these regions, crucial for both environmental stability and international relations.

Could you elaborate on how the Arctic and Antarctic affect our weather and climate?

James Jansen: Broadly, Antarctica drives global climate through its impact on the thermohaline circulation, while the Arctic influences our daily weather patterns. This highlights the interconnectedness of polar regions and their global impact.

How does your work address the critical biodiversity being impacted by climate change?

James Jansen: The polar regions are warming rapidly, with the Arctic warming up to four times the global average. This results in significant ice melt, affecting ecosystems and food security for local communities. The Antarctic is also experiencing profound changes, impacting unique species and global ocean circulation.

What are your predictions for the future of nature and biodiversity in the polar regions? 

James Jansen: While there are significant challenges, the UK is well-placed to contribute through leading polar science and international cooperation. Understanding and addressing these changes is crucial for building resilience both in the polar regions and globally.

How do science, conservation policy, and intergovernmental collaborations differ between the Arctic and Antarctic?

Jane Rumble: The Arctic is governed by the states surrounding it, with the UK playing an influencing role. In contrast, the Antarctic is protected by international treaties focused on conservation and scientific research, ensuring minimal human impact.

Is The Government encouraging ecotourism in these regions?

Jane Rumble: Yes, responsible tourism is encouraged to raise awareness and support conservation. However, we also focus on education and bringing the polar regions to the public to balance tourism's environmental impact.

What are the development pressures in the Antarctic, especially regarding mineral extraction?

Jane Rumble: Mineral extraction is currently prohibited in the Antarctic under environmental protection protocols. This prohibition can only be changed by consensus among treaty members, ensuring that the region remains protected.

Are there interesting technological and innovative approaches being used for conservation and protection in the polar regions?

James Jansen: The UK is leveraging AI and satellite technology for monitoring and decision-making. Collaboration with indigenous communities and international partners is also crucial for effective conservation efforts.

What are your hopes for the next 20 years in the polar regions, and how important is public awareness?

Jane Rumble: That the future of the polar regions is intertwined with our global future. Engaging diverse talents and perspectives in polar science and increasing public awareness are essential for addressing the critical threats these regions face.